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Trader of Secrets · Sep 22, 2009, 09:28 PM // 21:28

Aww. hope they consider mantra to still not be a blanket and actually hav ppl use some skill in farming.

Zahr Dalsk · Sep 22, 2009, 09:30 PM // 21:30

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Originally Posted by AngelWJedi

why do people always think MoR was ONLY used for farming?

Because it is...

T1Cybernetic · Sep 22, 2009, 09:36 PM // 21:36

Not really, i use it on my ele and ranger for a few builds in pve that are not farming builds

and it's pretty decent on my necro for avoiding 1001 interrupts around nightfall areas while out and about vanquishing...

BlackSephir · Sep 22, 2009, 10:05 PM // 22:05

Great, now revert back Horns of the Ox and Black Lotus Strike. They all were nerfed because of pvp and aren't used in farming, yet they're not being reverted.
How sick is that, eh, EH?!
I wish all farmers would just leave for something like wow or aion. GW would be a better place.

Sifow Chan · Sep 22, 2009, 10:10 PM // 22:10

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Originally Posted by Scythe O F Glory

Leave it how it is, the less 600's the better.

^Agree

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As I pointed out in the MoR split thread (Edit: see below link)... undoing this is admitting that the farmers and title grinders won.

Nobody plays this game for fun anymore. By moaning and bitching about the MoR nerf, SF will never be nerfed. Congratulations guru, you helped ruin the game.

Just proves the devs are more concerned about what players want for unfair/cheap advantages rather than doing what is best for the game.

Chocobo1 · Sep 22, 2009, 10:22 PM // 22:22

Kinda odd how we wanted the Devs to listen to us and now we've discovered that in a way they are, there just listening to the wrong crowd.

Esprit · Sep 22, 2009, 10:58 PM // 22:58

It sounds like Anet caved under the pressure for a split.

You know, MoR is still usable in PvP you just have to ration its use.

With the split Anet pretty much is saying "We need to keep our farmers and speed clear people happy."

Way to stay strong Anet. /sarcasm

*Darcy* · Sep 22, 2009, 11:22 PM // 23:22

Thank you for the heads up Targren.

Life Bringing · Sep 22, 2009, 11:22 PM // 23:22

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Originally Posted by Esprit

It sounds like Anet caved under the pressure for a split.

You know, MoR is still usable in PvP you just have to ration its use.

With the split Anet pretty much is saying "We need to keep our farmers and speed clear people happy."

Way to stay strong Anet. /sarcasm

Since the MoR nerf, Pious kinda wins over MoR. I do agree about the anet part though. Without MoR, 600/smite everywhere is still perfectly possible, you just can't be a shitter.

Jecht Scye · Sep 22, 2009, 11:25 PM // 23:25

When some of us wanted a PvE/PvP split of MoR, we were "QQing". Now I see bitching the other way around from some of the same people. Oh elitists, if only you knew what hypocrisy meant!

refer · Sep 23, 2009, 12:00 AM // 00:00

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Originally Posted by Esprit

You know, MoR is still usable in PvP you just have to ration its use.

I'll just use Glyph of Concentration instead. No energy loss if somebody tries to stop me and 3x the length of time.

wind fire and ice · Sep 23, 2009, 12:11 AM // 00:11

You realize the ONLY FARM that NEEDED MoR was e/me raptor farm,its being reverted in pve so it will keep on being used in vanqs/ect by necros,eles and monks instead of being a totally ignored skill.

MoR was/is only useful in a couple dungeons for 600'ing-and NO IMPORTANT ONES(i like random caps,they're fun ^^)..dunno why people are saying Anet is supporting farming by reverting this skill.

Life Bringing · Sep 23, 2009, 12:13 AM // 00:13

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Originally Posted by wind fire and ice

You realize the ONLY FARM that NEEDED MoR was e/me raptor farm,its being reverted in pve so it will keep on being used in vanqs/ect by necros,eles and monks instead of being a totally ignored skill.

MoR was/is only useful in a couple dungeons for 600'ing-and NO IMPORTANT ONES(i like random caps,they're fun ^^)..dunno why people are saying Anet is supporting farming by reverting this skill.

The E/Me build doesnt even NEED a lulzy duration MoR. In 5 seconds you can get all your defense buffs+damage buffs off. By the time you need it again, AoS or a boss kill has recharged MoR.

Giga_Gaia · Sep 23, 2009, 12:58 AM // 00:58

In situations like these, Anet is damned if you do, damned if you don't. So what would you do? I'd think appeasing the majority is the more logical thing to do, even though it may or may not be the right thing.

Black Metal · Sep 23, 2009, 01:07 AM // 01:07

if they had split it in the first place (as their original nerf reasoning should have led to), then this whole debacle would never have occurred

AlsPals · Sep 23, 2009, 01:23 AM // 01:23

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Originally Posted by Jecht Scye

When some of us wanted a PvE/PvP split of MoR, we were "QQing". Now I see bitching the other way around from some of the same people. Oh elitists, if only you knew what hypocrisy meant!

Its funny isnt it? And again, lets pretend that I wouldnt dream of using MOR because some HM guys are interrupt happy. >.> Regardless of what people say ala "Anet Caved," as I said over and friggen over, update notes did NOT mention farming being a reason for its PVE nerf. It seemed more like an oversight.

Thenameless Wonder · Sep 23, 2009, 01:45 AM // 01:45

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Originally Posted by Loot Junkie

While we're at it, lets remove the movement penalty on OF. I could never understand why SF blocks all spells AND attacks with NO restriction of movement while Obs Flesh still allows attacks but slows you down 50%. There is a huge amount of disparity between these 2 skills. That would at least make vaettir farming a little less frustrating for eles

OF has a movement penality. SF has a 33% dmg reduction. They balance out

AlsPals · Sep 23, 2009, 01:49 AM // 01:49

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Originally Posted by Thenameless Wonder

OF has a movement penality. SF has a 33% dmg reduction. They balance out

Not true. OF movement is something you can only get around with shadow steps. The 33% reduction means nothing when a couple dozen creatures make you pump out a string of 27s. Not to mention what the Ebon Vanguard skills do.

Jecht Scye · Sep 23, 2009, 02:01 AM // 02:01

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Originally Posted by AlsPals

Its funny isnt it? And again, lets pretend that I wouldnt dream of using MOR because some HM guys are interrupt happy. >.> Regardless of what people say ala "Anet Caved," as I said over and friggen over, update notes did NOT mention farming being a reason for its PVE nerf. It seemed more like an oversight.

100% Truth. I actually thought the very same thing when I saw it. It just grinded me that the oversight happened when it did (right before the Grog Drop Event). Oh well though, Here's looking at Halloween.

In my opinion, Anet did the right thing by sticking to their guns via their update description, and admitting that they made a mistake and are going to correct it.

Loot Junkie · Sep 23, 2009, 02:18 AM // 02:18

Obsidian Flesh has a movement reduction penalty, SF has a damage reduction penalty.

Obsidian Flesh has spell protection, SF has spell protection.

SF has attack protection, Obsidian Flesh has.....nothing.

They quite obviously DO NOT "balance out". Yeah OF has a bit of extra armor, but thats nothing compared to immunity from attacks and interrupts/condis from attacks. The damage penalty from SF isnt nearly as prohibitive as the movement penalty from OF. If you think so, try rounding up 36 vaettirs with an OF ele without getting surrounded too soon. As well, degen isnt affected at all by the SF damage penalty.